Midlife Makeover: How to Transform Crisis Into a Catalyst for Growth || with Wendy Valentine

Nov 17, 2025

Can a midlife crisis actually become a turning point for happiness and personal development? In this episode I'm exploring this idea with the inspiring Wendy Valentine, who transformed her life through self-care and self-compassion.

Unlocking self-improvement isn’t just about overcoming challenges; it's about envisioning a new future fueled by choices that prioritize self-care. In this episode, discover how to stop being a perfectionist, start embracing the present moment, and work towards a joyful, intention-driven life.

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TRANSCRIPT

Monica Packer: [00:00:00] wendy Valentine, a big welcome to about progress.

Wendy Valentine: Thank you so much for having me. This is awesome.

Monica Packer: So many of our community members are beginning to approach midlife or are in the thick of it, and that can bring up a lot. I mean, I think the body alone is a whole other topic, but I think. Internally as we're looking at our lives and we are at this crux of a moment where we suddenly are in a position of questioning our lives and how we got here and why we're here, and if it's really what we want, that's what this midlife can bring for us.

I wanted to begin with what you pictured. As your midlife, like what of your own thoughts did you bring into about what it would look like and feel like and how does that relate to the ways that we do so as well? And that midlife gets a pretty bad rap.

Wendy Valentine: I know. Isn't that sad though? I think it's like the best time ever. I'm trying to flip the script completely from midlife crisis to more of a catalyst,

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: I think that [00:01:00] midlife strips away the rules, the roles and the expectations that we have carried for years, and it puts us into this beautiful position. to ask ourselves the question, who do I want to be as I step into this next chapter of my life? And I feel that we tend to focus a lot on the what, when, where, and how as a lot of us do, right in setting goals, and we make our lists and check off all the boxes, but we tend to forget the who. And who do you actually want to be as you step into that next chapter?

Right. And for me, when I hit my mid forties midlife was nothing what I thought it was gonna be. I actually didn't even think about like, what will my midlife look like? But

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: have. I planned it any bit better, I will have to say. Um, which is gonna sound a little ironic because I had a horrible midlife breakdown, if

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: which became my breakthrough at [00:02:00] 45.

I went through divorce, disease, debt, depression, everything seems to start with a letter D.

Monica Packer: Love that. Don't love what happened to you, but love the alliteration there.

Wendy Valentine: and we'll add menopause even though it

Monica Packer: Sure.

Wendy Valentine: with D. I had black mold toxicity,

Monica Packer: gosh.

Wendy Valentine: uh, Lyme disease, and within a six week period, my dog died. My cat died and my brother died. And from witnessing my brother's passing, even though I was so grateful to be there with him, ended up causing panic attacks and anxiety just to add to the whole mix of it all.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: yes, I obviously was just in this. place in my life, I looked at it like, all right, girl. You're gonna be turning 50 here soon.

Like this cannot be the way that your second half of life is going to go. And I had to have those difficult conversations [00:03:00] with myself. And I'll admit I really did beat myself up for a while there. I had such shame for like, I can't believe I put myself here. You know, taking way too much, honestly, responsibility for every single thing that had happened in my life. As a recovering perfectionist myself,

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: and that was one of the things I had to drop because I was like, this perfectionism, the people pleasing, the approval seeking the codependency had not served me well at all. And I was like, we have got to rip these labels off because if we are going to become, I say we, 'cause I feel like, like me and the wonder, Wendy, inside of me, if we are going to become the woman that you really want to be and do all the things you truly want to do in your life, you are going to have to drop all of these labels and quit exhausting yourself by

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: to please [00:04:00] everybody. But yourself. And I do think that women, especially, I mean we are amazing caretakers. We love taking care of people, we tend to put ourselves on the back burner.

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: And that was one of the things I realized during that time in my life. I was like, I have got to start taking care of myself and. This is kind of a funny story, but I, during my midlife breakdown, which took place on the bathroom floor, bawling my eyes out, I was like, why do women always end up on the bath cold bathroom floor?

Maybe 'cause we're having hot flashes, but, but I ha I, I remember I had this vision of taking off in an RV across the country. And I'll admit, at first I was like, Ooh. It was like a kind of a form of escapism. I was like, I just wanna get outta here, just take off in an RV across the country. And then I thought, wait a second, I have no money.

I'm 150 grand in [00:05:00] debt. I'm unemployed. I'm going through a divorce. I'm dealing with this depression. My body is weak, and like, I can't do that. then I thought, well, what if I win for it?

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: what? Not, not only so much, what's the worst that could happen? I started flipping that script of what is the best that could happen? And I don't know if you ever saw the, uh, on Seinfeld Costanza when he did opposite day.

Monica Packer: yeah. Classic.

Wendy Valentine: well, what if I just do opposite? I do everything opposite because everything that my, my thoughts, my beliefs, my behaviors. It's not what I wanted. I was like, that is really not me. Like

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: All of these, all of these beliefs and these values I adopted were not really like, were they really mine or they were my parents or society or Instagrams or my friends.

Like, I was like, I really don't believe all of this and. I realized that I could [00:06:00] actually take back control of my life and I could become the woman that I wanted to be.

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: else wanted me to be, but what I wanted

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: And this beautiful dream that I had of driving this RV across the country. It wasn't so much the RV that I was excited about or that experience, that journey. It was the woman behind the wheel.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: so excited to dream about a woman that was strong and happy and healthy, financially free, and just enjoying life, just being in the moment and not having all of that stress that I had even put on myself. That was my target right there. so much again, the rv as it was the woman.

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: envisioning how I would think, feel, act, how I would wake up in the morning, how, what kind of [00:07:00] relationships I would have, how I would sleep at night, um, what I would eat, how I would move my body. I literally designed a new woman on that bathroom floor,

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm. You 10.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah, and then every single day. would get up and I would pretend I would act like this woman. Like how does she walk into a room? How does she, how does she get up in the morning? What does she say to herself as she looks into the mirror every tiny detail, I would act like that woman every single day until eventually I became her.

Monica Packer: Yeah. You know, I think it's understandable that. There's a midlife crisis kind of stereotype because it can feel like a crisis when you have led your life by default. It's almost like you're sleeping on your own life and you kind of wake up and you realize, well, who am I and how did I get here [00:08:00] and, and how did it happen?

In good faith, but almost by accident. Like by default, I made these choices, or I've lived this way for this long, and it can feel like a crisis. But like you said, it seems like the first shift here is to shift it to this opportunity as a, a catalyst instead of a crisis. I want you to speak to the women who are not quite there yet, but they would like to be.

Wendy Valentine: Mm-hmm.

Monica Packer: what would you say to the woman who needs to fill that validation of, yeah. You've been asleep in your own life and now you are waking up to it. But here's what's gonna happen. Here's what can happen next for you.

Wendy Valentine: I would have to say the number one thing to do is become your own best friend. You literally have got to watch every thought as much as you possibly can. Yes, we have over 60,000 thoughts, but usually it's the nasty ones that are pretty loud.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: have to listen to how you speak to yourself, how you think about your life, how you [00:09:00] motivate yourself, or unmotivate and you have to. out those thoughts into more empowering,

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: inspiring, loving thoughts.

Monica Packer: Like you do for your friend,

Wendy Valentine: Yeah,

Monica Packer: for your best friend.

Wendy Valentine: Exactly. Yeah. And if your best friend doesn't speak well to you, you need to get a

Monica Packer: Time to get a new one.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah. But yeah, exactly. And as we know, I mean, it's crazy that it's only been 35 years that they figured that you can rewire your brain.

I

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: had wheels on suitcases before that, but in any event, yeah. We do know that you can rewire the brain, which means that you can change your brain, you can change your thoughts, you can change your beliefs, you can change your body, can change your life. You can, it's not,

Monica Packer: Hm.

Wendy Valentine: not just like, oh, foo thinking. You literally can do that. And here's one thing to keep in mind. You, you are 99% [00:10:00] energy. a little bit more than that. And why does that matter? Because you are energy. I'm energy. The chair you're sitting on is energy. Everything is energy and it's everything is vibrating. And however you are vibrating, whether you're vibrating up here with joy and gratitude and love, or you're down here with sadness and grief and depression, right? When you raise that vibration and you really, really put your energy out there in a loving, beautiful way, ugh. The things that come back to you in your life, you end up not even, it's like the law of least effort. You don't end up having to try so hard. And I, I think like, it's like once you can get that, you can relax, just relax into your life and enjoy, and you're not, you're not wasting so much time and energy and space in your mind. On, on things that really are irrelevant. I mean, I, I, I'm amazed sometimes even [00:11:00] myself, like, like why am I wasting so much time and energy thinking about that? You know, like, I could be doing other things with that time and space and energy

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: than worrying about silly stuff that we can't control.

Monica Packer: So, so much of the power of letting go actually, right.

Wendy Valentine: it's, yes, and it's tough, but it's practice. I, I do think that even happiness is a habit, right? Worry can be a habit. I was a chronic worrier. I would worry about the silliest things. I would be up all night and it would just like, oh, over and over and over and over again in my mind. And it would end up not even becoming true, whatever it was I was worrying about, but happiness, joy, love, all of that. Like we are creatures of habit, right? But we're also creatures of change, but we have to give ourselves permission to change.

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: The key. the key.

Monica Packer: And that's something you, you talk about in your book, women Waking Up, you talk about. How you have to let go in order to make this a [00:12:00] catalyst. Letting go of these negative thoughts, letting go of the old standards or the defaults you've lived by or letting go of what a good woman is supposed to do in middle life or what, how, how she may be inhibited.

I think that's probably a big part of how we move into the midlife with these bad raps is thinking, well now I just need to be an old lady and live small.

Wendy Valentine: Yep.

Monica Packer: There's a paradox though too that I have found in your work is seeming paradox. Actually, I would say not a paradox. If you're living it out and just as much as you let go, you have to choose too.

You have to take ownership and lean in to certain things, so I'd like to spend some time there. What does it look like to take ownership of your life at this time?

Wendy Valentine: Yeah, you have to. I mean, you, you really do. You have to have those real conversations with yourself. And can remember, uh, during that time for me, I didn't even know what my values were.

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: And someone

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: like, what are your values? I was like, I don't know. No one's ever asked me that before. I've never asked myself [00:13:00] that question. spending time and introspection and. And asking yourself, what do you like, what do you dislike? What are your values? And those things change, right? That's one thing about midlife. I mean it,

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: things are gonna change whether you like it or not, right? You have empty nest, you have aging parents. Some of our friends are becoming ill. I mean, there's, our bodies are changing perimenopause, menopause. I went through perimenopause and I didn't even know it existed.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: with you, until I even started my podcast, I was like, oh, there's a thing as

Monica Packer: Yeah,

Wendy Valentine: I was like,

Monica Packer: I did that.

Wendy Valentine: I wasn't going crazy after all.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: oh my gosh. But change is going to happen, think the number one thing to remember is just acceptance. It is, yes. Like, okay, yes, my body is changing. Yes, my relationships are changing. There's things going on around you that it's like, okay. more that you can take care of yourself mentally, physically, emotionally, and [00:14:00] spiritually, it's, those things aren't so hard to deal with. mean, even like my, my dad is very sick right now. I know his time is coming soon. Right. But be okay. And I think you learn to kind of coach yourself through things. As you become your own best friend, you're like, have these little conversations with yourself. You're like, it's gonna be alright. Like, it's gonna be okay.

You, you'll get through it. You'll get through it. And I think one of the, the beautiful parts of midlife is that you do have more wisdom now. Like, you have so many experiences, I mean, between having kids and Oh my gosh, and running households and careers and we have a lot of experience and I think we take that for granted.

I don't think We need to take a look at our wisdom and, and really appreciate that. We are very, incredible, extraordinary, beautiful, beautiful people. That we can do so much. And I just don't think we allow ourselves to do that [00:15:00] sometimes. But we are very wise and we have more wit, we have more strength.

There's so many things that we can do. And I, I don't know, it's like for me especially once I got closer to 50, I was like, gosh, wow, halfway through. I'm hoping to live to a hundred. But it's like I've got another 50 years left. Like, I'm not ready to just do nothing. And I was like, I finally, I'm like, the kids are finally out of the house.

I was like, I actually have more time now. Like I can go and do some things that I never got to do before. .

Monica Packer: So a lot of that ownership comes down to the inner work you said about getting reacquainted with who you are now, with what your values, your likes, your dislikes, as well as the mindset shows that we talked about too. I'm curious about a couple other ways they can start to lean into that ownership and ways that is going to help them move from the crisis mode to the catalyst mode.

Wendy Valentine: Mm-hmm.

Monica Packer: are some other things that they can do right now at the beginning of this, [00:16:00] this journey?

Wendy Valentine: Yeah. I'm gonna teach you, I call it the wheel of midlife.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: It is a really simple way to get unstuck. And I, I find that, you know, a lot of us will just paralyze ourselves by analyzing like, what should I do? I don't know what to do next. I know what to do. And just like Lazu said, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step,

Monica Packer: Mm.

Wendy Valentine: You

Monica Packer: Okay.

Wendy Valentine: one step. So then it's like, okay, well I take one step, but I don't know which step to take first. So wheel of midlife, you can do this at home. Take a piece of paper and a pen. Draw a circle. divide that circle into eight triangles, and then you label each one. Family, finance, health, career, friends love leisure growth, and on each wedge they're in each piece of the

Monica Packer: Perfect.

Wendy Valentine: or pizza pie. you'll rank it from one to 10. One is completely dissatisfied in that category in your life, and 10 is totally satisfied. [00:17:00] you'll go through each section and just, you can just shade it in. okay, how do I feel about where I'm at right now with my family? And, and you usually know like, what, what a 10 means to me is different for you, or a five or whatever. Don't overthink it. You usually know right away or like if your finances aren't great right now, okay, maybe like it's a two whatever. Go through each of those eight categories, whichever one is the lowest. Start there.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: Just take one step in that area. And what's fascinating is that as you start to take action in one area, it spills over to the other areas in your life. I mean,

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: about it, right, like let's say your health is not doing great and you're like, okay, you know what? I'm starting eating more vegetables and drinking water. I'm gonna start moving my body more. Interestingly, your relationships can improve. Your personal growth can improve because as you feel better, like, you know what?

I think I'm gonna [00:18:00] start reading again, or I'm gonna start doing some meditation. And you, that happens without you trying. Again, back to the like law effort. You can just do these things. You're taking one step at another and another, and eventually your whole life changes without you

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: it.

Monica Packer: Well, I'm all about those series of small steps, especially when it feels so overwhelming. I mean, we hear your story and we think about, wow, at 45 you had so much loss, things to grieve, starting from ground zero in many ways in your life. But now you're doing all these amazing things. I mean, you are, you're an author and

you've traveled with your rv and you have your podcasts and like you coach and support women there too. So, but we don't see the in between. And I would like to hear more about the in-between then. I know you are, you started with that wheel yourself. I'm curious what of those, which of those categories were you like, okay, I have to start there.

Wendy Valentine: Oh, mine was I mean, I was unemployed. I had over [00:19:00] 150 grand in debt. And so that actually was the very first step that I took was to, 'cause I had no resume. I was like, oh my God. I gotta, I gotta write a, I need a resume.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: I started, I sent my resume out all over the country. I was willing, I was living in Virginia at the time.

I was like, I'm willing to move to wherever just to get a job. So that I can get outta this debt and I can actually make this dream come true and within a week, again, kind of crazy as you put the wheels into motion and how things will just start to happen. I got a job offer in Chicago new construction homes, something I had never done in my entire life, and I was like, okay.

And I was like, what would that new Wendy do? You know, new Wendy

Monica Packer: Sure.

Wendy Valentine: Okay, we

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: girl, we can sell houses. Let's do it. You know?

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: I packed up the house and uh, it drove a U-Haul from Virginia to Illinois and started that new job. [00:20:00] And I was so determined to get out of that state that I was in, that I was like, I'm gonna do anything. Everything I possibly can to make this happen. within two years I went from making $0 to a half a million, which was the most I had ever personally made by myself and paid off all that debt. Ended up saving up enough money to buy the rv,

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: in between all of that. I went to therapy to

Monica Packer: Mm.

Wendy Valentine: anxiety and the panic attacks. I started eating really, really well.

Yeah, I mean, and I was trying to do everything that I could to just improve where I was at each day. Meditation, reading. And yeah, I had some really dark moments during that [00:21:00] phase, eventually it would, it, it all just kind of faded. It's pretty, uh, it's magical though. Like again, like the more action that you take

Monica Packer: Yes.

Wendy Valentine: things will just fall into place. You know, I've had people ask me like, you know, have you always been this courageous? I was like, no,

Monica Packer: Huh?

Wendy Valentine: at all. And we, we build courage by taking action.

Monica Packer: Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: Even if it's action that wouldn't, maybe it doesn't get you not much progress,

Monica Packer: Right. Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: it's action that might, it's one stepping stone that leads you to another. And I think we just have to trust, we have to, you know, like the saying is leap of the net will appear. Take a leap trust that you will catch yourself. You are the net. You'll figure it out. .

Monica Packer: Okay. I, again, thank you for sharing about those, you know, single steps, you know, from that quote you that you shared. I think it's important to say like, this is where we [00:22:00] start and it looks messy and it's not gonna go super well all the time, but that's what leads to actual progress and on courage and change.

Um, there was one other principle from your framework that I wanted to ask you about, and this is envisioning a new future.

Wendy Valentine: That's my favorite.

Monica Packer: I can we talk about that and this is, I just keep trying to put myself in the mindset of a woman who has been asleep and living by default and she's waking up and this is the part that can feel equal parts.

Exciting and terrifying

Wendy Valentine: Oh.

Monica Packer: envision a future. A new future. And that doesn't mean you have to burn it all to the ground either. Let's be clear. That's where I think the midlife crisis gets a bad rap because that's what people can do when they wake up, is they burn it all down if it hasn't been already burned down for them.

So it doesn't have to until that. But walk us through what that looks like to envision a new future.

Wendy Valentine: Well, [00:23:00] first of all, you have to envision it

Monica Packer: You have to actually do it. I, yeah, and that's, and, and I mean, you can go practical for us too. I mean, you can walk us through what, how do you do that, but also why it matters.

Wendy Valentine: yeah. So what I do is, you know, just have you sit down and literally write down every single thing in all of those eight, eight categories I mentioned earlier, like, in your dream life, what would you want your family to be like, your finances, your career. All of that without holding back.

Like,

Monica Packer: Okay.

Wendy Valentine: I think as adults, like we forget to dream like something we did as kids, and then it would become adults and like, that's, you know,

Monica Packer: that's not for me now.

Wendy Valentine: do that anymore, and we're dreaming but dreams. that's how things happen though, right? When you're putting, again, that energy, when you're putting that energy out there, that's how those dreams come, come true. And so no matter, I mean, if you think about it though, too. Whatever energy you're [00:24:00] putting out there and that comes back to you, well, then if you're not dreaming, then, then life is just gonna throw some random things at you. you probably don't want that, right? dream of what you would like all eight categories to look like. And I actually

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: um, a digital vision board. I have it on my computer screen.

Monica Packer: Well, great.

Wendy Valentine: So Yeah, and that comes with a book too. But you can actually, and it's on Canva. You just go in there and like plug a, you know, whatever you dreamt in for those eight categories. You create a digital vision board. And during my time, you know, back in my forties that I had that vision board over my dresser and I stared at that thing every single day.

I made myself sit there for five minutes every day and look at that vision board. I wish I, I wish I kept it. 'cause it's like everything that,

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: everything came true,

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: is pretty wild. [00:25:00] And you know, I. Uh, during that time I didn't think, I didn't quite believe like, oh, this is happen. You know, there was a part of me that would doubt it. And then again I was like, what if we just believe? What if we just try this for once and see if this can actually happen? the one thing too with dreams is that you've got, number one, you gotta take action. And you've got to add that energy to it, right? So meditation, I'm all about meditation and meditation.

I dunno, like people think of it, it's like, oh, I'm supposed to just sit there in silence. Actually, no, I love guided meditations because I, I don't do well sitting

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: if you can fathom. Um, so guided meditations are great and just sitting there, if you don't even wanna think of it as meditation, it's visualization.

You're just literally imagining. Your future self living out these future dreams, why not? I mean, you [00:26:00] deserve to try

Monica Packer: Hmm.

Wendy Valentine: on for size and see. See what happens.

Monica Packer: I love that you deserve to try and I think this phase is a lot about like what happened, and so part of turning it into that catalyst seems to be that shift to what if and why not?

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Monica Packer: why not try, what could I envision for myself? What if it were like this, and why not try.

Wendy Valentine: Yeah.

Monica Packer: Wendy, you've, you've lived this out.

What's better now about your life than before waking up? Mm-hmm.

Wendy Valentine: Mine personally. Oh, I love myself. Yeah. I didn't fall in love with myself until I was 50. I'm 52 now, so I've been in love with myself for two years. It's amazing. But that's, that's why it's worth the work. And I mean, I, I, I don't regret any of it. Even, even the darkest of times that I've [00:27:00] been through, I'm like, oh, thank God I went through that. I'm really, really grateful for those dark times I mean, it's just like the dichotomy of life, right? You wouldn't know light. If you didn't know darkness. You wouldn't know joy if you didn't know sadness. I'm so grateful that I know that I know depression. I'm so grateful that I know extreme grief and menopause.

I'm grateful for all of it, and I'm also very grateful that I know how to move through it. You can't go around it. There is. There are no shortcuts that. You can get through it and you get to the other side, and you'll just be like, so grateful to yourself that you, that you tried.

Monica Packer: Beautiful. So Wendy, we're gonna um, make sure we direct them on where to go and then we'll ask our final question. I want to make sure they listen to the Midlife Makeover Show as your podcast, which is so great. And also your book, woman Waking Up, which I've got right here.

What do you want them to know [00:28:00] about the book?

Wendy Valentine: If you are feeling lost or stuck, invisible, or even just kind of slightly dissatisfied in your life, the book has anything and everything you could possibly need to get you to a better place in your life and actually a dream place in your life.

Monica Packer: And we're going to go back to, you deserve to try. You deserve to try. So pick up the book. Well, let's now talk about our final question. And we like to just digest. You know, we learn so much in our sessions with these amazing interviewees like you. What is one small way they can take action on what they learned today?

Wendy Valentine: Start small and start now, just no matter how small it is. I mean, know, making a bold move is different at different times in your life. Back then, uh, being courageous for me was getting out of bed. Or washing my hair, being [00:29:00] bold for me today is getting on NBC Live news in Philadelphia this morning at six o'clock.

Monica Packer: Amazing.

Wendy Valentine: So just take one bold move every single day, even if, even if it is having an extra glass of water in your day, that's a bold move anything just to love yourself more because yes, you deserve it.

Monica Packer: Wendy, thank you so much for spending time with us today. We learned so much from you, and I can't wait to see what's next for you.

Wendy Valentine: Yes, and you too.

Monica Packer: Fantastic job. That was so great. I really loved her sending that time.

Wendy, you've, you've lived this out.

Is there one thing you would like to share with the listeners here on what's the, I would say what's on the other side, but I would also say it's, it's more of like, what's, what's your, what are you living out right now? What is,

Wendy Valentine: Mm-hmm.

Monica Packer: in the process of living out differently than maybe you did before that this waking up actually [00:30:00] brought to you.

Wendy Valentine: Wait, say that again.

Monica Packer: Yeah.

Wendy Valentine: say

Monica Packer: So it's kind of like, paint the picture of what's on the other side, like one big thing on what's the other side of this work for them.​

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