How I’m Feeling the Day Before My Book is Published || + Why Writing This Book Felt Personal and What I Hope it Changes in the Self-Help Industry at Large

In this episode I'm getting real with you the day before my book Sticky Habits officially publishes. This isn't a heavily outlined or scripted episode — it's a fireside chat where I'm sharing honestly about what this moment feels like from the inside. I talk about the intense, exhausting year it's been, the stress that's shown up in my body, the self-doubt that keeps creeping in alongside the excitement, and how publishing a book that's so deeply personal feels like standing at mile 25 of a marathon with no idea what waits on the other side of the finish line.

I also share my hopes for what this book can do — not just for my own work and family, but for women everywhere who deserve a better, more realistic approach to habits. And I get honest about the choice I know I'll have to keep making: to pay attention to the empty chairs or the full ones. This episode is my way of thanking you for being part of this journey, and asking you to help me carry this book across the finish line.

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Monica Packer: [00:00:00] Monica, you have a choice.

You can pay attention to all the empty chairs, or you can pay attention to the full ones."

Monica Packer: Hi, this is Monica Packer and you're listening to About Progress, where we are about progress made practical The day this releases, my book is officially published tomorrow, Tuesday, September 8th, and the book is, of course, Sticky Habits. I know you've heard a lot about this book, especially the past month as I did behind-the-scenes episodes.

But I think it's time to really have a fireside chat of sorts to talk to you about how I'm really feeling, why writing this book was so incredibly personal, and what I hope it can do, not just for me, but for women everywhere. This is going to be a raw episode. It's not heavily outlined or scripted at all.

, And I'm not [00:01:00] gonna sugarcoat things. I think you deserve that because you've been with me for a long time, if not even from day one of this whole process, and I want to welcome you in on what this is really looking and feeling like. That is coming up after a quick break for our sponsors

Monica Packer: You are not bad at habits. You've just been using methods designed for men. My first book will be published this fall. It's called Sticky Habits: A Woman's Guide to Reclaim Happiness, Ditch Perfectionism, and Create Habits That Last. It's set to release September 8th, but you can pre-order the book right now for three special pre-order bonuses, from a listening companion guide that took me hours and hours to create to a free pass to my online course, Finding Me, and our exclusive virtual launch party on September 8th with some special guests, This book is not about doing more. It's about building habits that survive real life, [00:02:00] creating routines that flex instead of break, letting go of perfectionism that keeps you quitting, and learning how to keep promises to yourself.

and that's even on the hard days. In a world of self-help that too easily ignores the invisible labor women carry, that changes everything, because women must do habits differently. Sticky Habits will teach you how. Please pre-order the book now and check out the special pre-order bonuses again by going to stickyhabitsbook.com.

That's linked for you in the show notes. I am so thrilled for this book to be out in the world. It is several years in the making, and I know it will change so much for you. Again, go to stickyhabitsbook.com to pre-order the book now

Monica Packer: First, as I mentioned, I've done recent behind-the-scenes episodes on the book and how it came to be, in a kind of a miraculous process, to be honest. It started as essentially a failed course that turned into a book deal. And, um, [00:03:00] so I want you to listen to those episodes if you want more of the behind the scenes on how the book came about.

I linked to those in the show notes. And I also did an episode last month in August, where I talked about the messy middle of dreaming and how me going through my own process of working on a really big dream, , what principles it taught me that transcended my personal experience. So I highly recommend that episode too.

Today is gonna be more personal, which is something I like to do, and I usually reserve for the messy middle episodes or for my private premium podcast for the Supporters Club, which is called More Personal. Today I get to do that for you. , It's like the messy middle mixed with some behind the scenes, , again, a fireside chat.

So before we officially do that, I wanna start with a bit of a disclaimer, and that is, in all caps, it is a privilege to publish a book. I know that, and I know you know that [00:04:00] Publishing a book is a big dream for many people, and people who are actively pursuing it as writers. And it is a hard dream to fulfill, an extremely hard dream.

And most of what I've done the past 10-plus years of my online work honestly have amounted to lackluster results, but mostly failures. Mostly failures. The fact that I get to sit here next to a book that has my name on it, it's a physical book, I can touch it, I can feel it, I can open it, I can turn the pages, I can read it, that feels like a miracle to me, and it's not one that I take lightly.

I say that now because dreams are messy. They're challenging. They're hard work, and there's lots of ups and downs in working towards them, and even in achieving them. And today I want to be able to have the license to be fully honest [00:05:00] about what that has looked like for me and is looking like the day before this dream, in essence, gets realized with its official publication.

So to start that , I want to begin with sharing what it's like for most authors as they are leading up to their book, and what's at stake for them. This whole process to writing and publishing a book is incredibly, incredibly intense. A lot more intensive than just a typical workload.

There's often late nights, a lot of research, a lot of writing and rewriting. It is a very mental and emotional process to do so. But then you're also marketing what feels like an extension of you in ways that you haven't been likely specifically trained for, and in ways that require a great deal of investment of personal time, energy, and money, because most authors are marketing their own books even with publishers, just like I am.

And, uh, you know, there's a lot of professional [00:06:00] stakes too. When they're approaching a publication date, authors are often belaboring, will this book do well? Will the publisher be happy with the sales? Will reviews look good? Will people read it and share it? Will this lead to more books? Will it help my broader career?

And if not, that's a really huge, huge, huge disappointment, and also I would say risk. Risk to whatever you're doing. An author rarely has no other sort of business or mission outside of the book. It's all related and connected. And this all is true for me. So I wanted to talk to you first about what it is looking like and what it is feeling like the day before my book is released.

and you should know I'm recording this in advance. I'm recording this on August 29th, so it's a little more than a week out, but I know this is how I'm gonna be feeling the day before too, and I only bring that up for other context of things I'll be sharing about what this [00:07:00] process is looking like.

So let's begin with from the outside looking in, outward, inward. On the outside, it would look like leading up to this book launch, you seeing me being extremely busy. I like being a busy person. I've always been a busy person. I like having things to do. The intensity of the past year, though, has taken what typically is already a very full life to one that feels near impossible every single day.

Each Sunday evening as I fill out my, my, uh, day planner for the week, I truly don't know how I'm gonna be able to do it all. Each night when I finally get in bed, I feel like I need 10 of me in order to accomplish what is being asked of me both personally and professionally. It has been extremely busy.

On the outside, you will see me doing a lot of interviews. I've been trying to get on as many podcasts as I can. You will see me doing a lot of work on the More for Moms conference, which is connected [00:08:00] to the launch of the book. , The book is one of the bonuses included in the conference for those who buy the all-access pass, and so it's part of the book sales.

You'll see me planning About Progress Live, my first and only so far live podcast recording, a celebration of 10 years of About Progress and the publication of this book. You'll see me planning the virtual launch party. You'll see me doing behind the scenes of creating the resources that are available for free with the book purchase, um, and a whole lot more that I can't even tell you in addition to my normal work and my, my, my normal life at home.

I mean, \- most of my time is spent as a mom to five kids. Uh, y- so with that, you will see a messier house. You will see a neglected garden. You will see fruit that is dying on the vine because I haven't had time or bandwidth to harvest and can and preserve what I've planted and grown.

You will see huge parts of my life that look extremely unorganized. Um, you'll see late [00:09:00] nights occasionally. You will see my own habits a little bit scattered, um, than they typically are. And, and, you know, that's all just part of it. Another thing, uh, you will see on the outside, you will see these moments where it feels exciting, such as the day that I got all of my author copies of the book.

Author copies, they typically send you anywhere between 10 and 20, just the publisher. I ordered an additional 200, 100 to come to the launch party, um, the About Progress Live. People can buy the books there. I'll sign them and all that. This is post that date. And then another 100, which I've earmarked to send out as PR packages to influencers.

These are online creators, these are thought leaders, these are authors that I've interviewed over 10 years now almost of podcasting. Um, so the day that came, I did a post on Instagram, and that was one of those moments where you could literally see how people were excited and showing [00:10:00] up and, and telling me how, how ready they were for this, how thrilled they were for me.

That was an occasional post. You will see me posting more, by the way, doing more strategy and stuff like that too, so that's part of it. But what may not be so easily seen is, you know, there's people who are not. There's people who, um, in my own life have never asked about the book, who are close to me, um, who've never inquired about my, my work in general, nonetheless, this book being launched.

It's been a very interesting time that way. You can't help but track and notice, wow, look at these people who are showing up for me, like random ladies at church who found out about the book somehow and are coming up to me and saying, "Monica, that's so cool about your book."

And also other people in my day-to-day life who, who never ask about it, and I'm sure haven't pre-ordered the book and, and it's just an interesting dichotomy, right, of support that way.

So obviously that's a lot of what you're seeing on the [00:11:00] outside, but how is that all translating inwardly? Well, I can just tell you straight up, it's been an incredibly stressful year especially, but ever since the book deal became official since then. So since September of last year for sure too. , The stress is so intense lately that I have cankers constantly.

I have some on my tongue right now, on other parts of my mouth. I have a locked jaw. I'm having tremors, some heart palpitation issues, which, were brought on mostly by my fifth pregnancy, but get, uh, exacerbated with stress. You would see inwardly I'm dealing with these vacillating emotions of excitement and hope But mostly, and this is me being very honest, self-doubt and fear.

And in many ways the stressors of it are outweighing those celebratory moments. , And in ways that I'm also in- inwardly trying to track and to not let run away with me and to steal this [00:12:00] moment. It's been a roller coaster. And I'll tell you, I was speaking to a friend, , in the past year or two who published a book, and I actually got to talk to her the week she was publishing the book.

And since I was already in the process of writing my book, I asked her, "What is publication like? How are you feeling? How are you doing? I've heard it's really a lot." And, and she is a medical mental health professional. And, and she said, "Monica, I don't say this lightly, and you know this because of my professional background."

She said, "Monica, it feels like you're bipolar. The highs are so high, the lows are so low, and the whiplash between those two emotions are very quick and fast-paced." And I am understanding that sentiment. , So it, to me, it actually feels like running a marathon, but in a different way. I mean, people describe it as having a baby, and I just think, "No.

Let's not do that," because having a baby is harder than anything ever. Like, anything, and recovering from a baby and, and caring for a newborn and all that. But I think it's more [00:13:00] like a marathon. Let's say you have seen people run marathons before, and you love seeing it. It's so inspiring. And whenever you see people doing this, whether it's a friend or someone on social media or maybe if you, if you get to stand on the sidelines and watch people run marathons, you feel that thrill, and you wish you could do it.

And you wonder if maybe you could, and you dream about it. And then the day comes where you actually sign on the dotted line up for your first marathon. And at first it's a thrill, and it's exciting, and you are beginning to pound the pavement. And it feels like you're gonna do this thing. But quite quickly it becomes a real pressure, and you are filled with self-doubt.

You have bad runs. You have some good runs. The training becomes more and more intensive, and by the end it's grueling. And you wonder why you signed up for this thing, and if you ever are gonna be able to get to race day. Now race day is here and you're starting this, this marathon, um, with [00:14:00] equal parts trepidation but excitement.

But in this race day, it's very intense. It's very hard. You are pushed to every extreme mentally, physically. By mile 25, you know that finish line is in sight, but you have no idea how you're gonna feel as you cross that finish line. Once you do, are you gonna feel this rush of emotions, excitement, and celebration?

Or are you going to feel a letdown because maybe the results are different than you trained for or you expected or you feel like you even deserve? Or maybe all the stress that was pushed into crossing that finish line in many ways can rob you of the celebration. Well, I'm at mile 25 right now, and I have been giving it all I got with this race.

I've been giving it all I have, with my time, energy, and the money that I have to give to this, which is not nearly what other people can give on that front. And I know the end is in sight, and I am [00:15:00] sprinting hard, but I have no idea what to expect at that finish line. That's where I'm at. With that, I'm gonna tell you what I hope is on the other side of that finish line, both personally and professionally and broadly with this community and the women I hope this book reaches.

That's coming up after a quick break for our sponsors

Monica Packer: I have a question for you busy moms. When was the last time you got to spend a little time learning about you? Not how to be a better mom, not how to do more for your family, but how to feel better, live better, and feel a little more like yourself again. That is exactly why I created the More for Moms Conference, and it's back for its second year, and I want to personally invite you to attend.

The More for Moms Conference is a free online event with [00:16:00] 25-plus experts that will help you find more in five areas of your life: your happiness, habits, health, home, and hobbies. Our conference will start September 28th, and you can watch the speaker sessions or listen on the go completely for free for seven full days with the Basic Pass.

Or with the affordable All-Access Pass, you can get lifetime access to ad-free versions of all speaker sessions and in addition to that, get exclusive bonuses and even a copy of my book, Sticky Habits, sent to the US address of your choosing. For a limited time, you can use the code listener to get $10 off the All-Access Pass at aboutprogress.com/moreformoms.

This conference isn't about adding more to your already long to-do list. Instead, it's designed specifically for moms with very full lives who are ready to feel more like themselves again. Because being a good mom does not require you becoming less [00:17:00] of a person. You don't need to do more.

You need more of you. PS, your kids need that too. So put yourself back on the list and join the More for Moms Conference now. Sign up for free with the seven-day Basic Pass or get lifetime ad-free access with the All-Access Pass using the code listener to get $10 off for a limited time.

Head to aboutprogress.com/moreformoms to grab your spot. Again, that's aboutprogress.com/moreformoms. I can't wait for you to join us.

Monica Packer: To really go into my hopes for this book, I need to first tell you why this book is so personal to me. In those behind-the-scenes episodes, and all the episodes we've been doing for the Remember When series this month, this year as we lead up to the 10-year anniversary, you've likely been cuing in to the ups and downs of About Progress, right?

And my work in general, from the very beginning, before I started the [00:18:00] podcast in November of 2016, I started this as an online blog, uh, in pursuit of sharing my 30 Before 30 list, which is now the Do Something list. And from that first day, which I believe was January 1st of 2016, like I was a January joiner there then, um, my work from the very beginning has felt very personal.

It's a personal endeavor on my part. It's about learning and growing and expanding and reaching for more in my life. I have grown exponentially the last 10 years in ways that feel incredibly personal. My whole life is different because of this work. , But my work has felt personal because it's an extension of me and that process.

My mission to it is very personal to me, to help change the world by changing women. , What I put into my work is personal. And this book is part of that. This book, in many ways, is me. It is that passion, my work, my time. My story is interwoven in this book. , But so [00:19:00] are so many other women's stories, by the way, um, which is one of the things I love the most about this book is it's real.

It's based in real women's realities. , So given that this, my work is personal, that this book is personal, so will the reception be of it in ways that I'm sure many would tell me, don't take it personally how things go. And in many ways, I think they're right to. And I think I sh- am working on that, to remove how I feel about this work independent of how it's received.

That is important. But I still think it's a strength for it to be personal to me, meaning th- that how it goes out will personally affect my life, and in ways that I hope it will, and also in ways that I know will challenge me too. Um, and that goes into broadly how I want it to be received. But also personally, this book, it's always been a dream of mine to publish a book, and I think it is for so many people.

As a lifelong [00:20:00] reader, as a lifelong learner, and a teacher, honestly, since I was a kid in many ways too, this book is that all put together for me. as a long time learner, um, and reader, it, it is a true thrill to have a physical book with my name stamped on it. Um, that's a beautiful thing. Uh, and you should also know it's personal for me Because so much of this book and how it ends up doing will become a predicator of how my whole work proceeds.

Either this book is well-received and it does pretty well, enough so that it grows my podcast, meaning the number of people who are listening, and perhaps increased numbers will help this become more financially stable with my ad spots getting f- filled, which is good 'cause they don't f- currently get filled, and paid better too.

But maybe it will lead to a membership group or a coaching program, which I haven't been able to do in a while, , because there's more people who are able to [00:21:00] do that. So it could do that.

So, um, the, the, the genuine and I would think realistic h- hope is that it does those things. I can share more about the big hopes in a moment. Or this book doesn't sell that well. It does with our community, and people are excited, and it's changing things for women and, and, and in sh- forming their habits differently and, and in ways that are really relevant to their lives and in ways that m- that already make this book worthwhile to me, even if just a few people read this book.

But y- but if it does that, then this truly will be a marker for me to have to make some really tough choices about, about progress. And to be really frank with you, this book is my final Hail M- Hail Mary. I have thrown quite a few over the last few years, and this is the biggest and final one yet. Uh, so that's why it feels so personal in that way too,

This book could become a tipping point that About Progress as a, my whole business needs or not. And if not, then it will be time for me to really sort [00:22:00] through what's next So now that I've shared how personal this work is for me and this book is for me, I now wanna speak to the hopes I have for it.

Of course, I hope with my heart of all hearts that it impacts individual women's lives. Just like that starfish story, like one by one, I hope it can change things for woman after woman. More broadly, though, I hope it can change things for women at large. Of course, I hope this book will take off. I hope that it can be one of those rare word of mouth phenomenons in the book industry, where a book just gathers steam and really takes off thanks to people sharing about it with their friends or on social media, or buying editions for people.

Uh, it would be beautiful to do that. , Of course, I hope it grows my community and in ways that I just shared. But with women, in addition to changing things one on one and with the, my business personally, I hope if it [00:23:00] can take off, this book can shape the self-help industry as a whole.

One, that women will have more of a place in it as leaders, as teachers, but even more importantly, as the audience. I believe the self-help industry is predominantly women already. I just think that fact is heavily ignored, especially in the way that so much advice is mistranslated to their real lives, how it's not possible, it's not realistic, it's not doable, and it's not reflective of their lives, which is why this method, the Sickie Habit method, is designed to reflect all that.

So I, would love for the self-help industry to change at large. Again, more women as leaders, more women as audience members rightfully acknowledged, and for any methods, advice, programs, , to be centered in reality better, to be less all or nothing, less black and white, and more nuanced and gentle.

That's what I [00:24:00] believe we all need and deserve, , and otherwise we're setting women up to fail. I believe this book has that potential, especially if it can be spread organically by, uh, the people who read it, the women who read it. But that has yet to be seen. I'm on mile 25 again, right? I don't know what's on the other side of that finish line.

And to be frank, this is just the first of many finish lines. This is the biggest finish line, but me trying to get this book out there, it's still going to be an ongoing process for years. Hopefully, if I have the option to, of continuing to interview or doing, uh, speaker routes on this, of, of, of it becoming part of a, a speaker package that I do, or with online communities that I teach or coach I still will need to continue to sell this book.

Uh, it's very unlikely that on pub day suddenly thousands and thousands of people will buy this book because they magically hear about it. It's going to be an ongoing process. So because of all that, I know that, that my broader dream of it helping change the self-help industry is a big one.

, But I think it's possible because of [00:25:00] what it does, um, because of how unique and different it is than most books we see in the self-help industry

With those hopes frankly shared, I'm going to be really honest with you about some internal choices I am primed to make right now. And I think it's best illustrated if I tell you about something that I have been planning for the book that will already have passed while this airs, and how it's become sort of, um, figurative to me in, in terms of the choices I need to make as I sprint this last mile point two to cross the finish line.

So as I'm recording this, we are a few days away from About Progress Live, a celebration to celebrate 10 years of About Progress, a live podcast recording as part of that, and a, a celebration of the book launch. Now, many months ago, as I started to begin to plan this, I knew I had to reserve a place for this, a venue, and I looked far and wide.

Venues are extremely expensive. And I found one place that [00:26:00] had two different locations with different capacity loads. One was closer to me, but the capacity was 70 people was the max they could fit in this room. The other location was a little bit farther from me, but still centrally located to people in northern Utah, and could hold 170 people, and maybe up to 200 if things were really, really tight in the room.

And in that moment, I had to decide, "Am I going to bet on a room of 70 people selling out, or do I think more people will wanna come?" And that was a weird decision for me to make because at the time I had no way of predicting that. It has now been seven years since I hosted an in-person event.

In fact, the last one was a celebration of three years of About Progress. So interesting to think through, right? And so I had no way of being able to properly guess that, and I thought, "Well, 10 people could come or hundreds of [00:27:00] people could wanna come. I don't know, but I'm going to assume good and go for the bigger room."

And I did. We are now two days away from this night, and I have 80 people signed up. So there's a part of me that's like, "Shoo, I should have chosen the other room, the other location because I would've been sold out technically and quicker, you know, than this." And now I have this fear/worry of this image I have in my head of sitting in a half empty room.

Now, of course, they're only gonna put up the number of chairs we need, and, and, and so it won't look empty, but in my head, since I had thought about this capacity, I have this image of me being only half full, if that. I know I'm not even doing the numbers right on what would be constitute as half full.

But in my mind it's like that room is only half full. So I have this temptation/choice the actual night of to sit in a room and only pay attention to the empty [00:28:00] chairs and not the full ones. And as I'm leading into this event, I've been thinking that through. And what I know we're only gonna set up for who's actually there, but I've been telling myself, "Monica, you have a choice.

You can pay attention to all the empty chairs, or you can pay attention to the full ones." And that has become a figurative choice now for me for when I cross that finish line and on pub day and how the book sells over time and how it does. I have a choice now for tomorrow, the day this gets published, September 8th, and for many months, even years that follow.

I can look back on how this book does, and I can only pay attention to those empty seats, to my online friends, creators, and writers who could have supported this work but chose not to share it or to celebrate it, to the people in this community who decided to not order or to read the book or to share it, to the people in my real life who have never been curious about this work [00:29:00] or pre-ordered it themselves or ordered it or cared about it.

And I could only pay attention to what sell numbers we didn't reach or the bad reviews that I'm sure are to come you know, because that's just part of putting anything out there. I can pay attention to all those things, or I can look for those full seats, for the people who are raising their hands, for my real-life friends and the old Strive Hive members, my old membership community, my online friends who are celebrating this work and sending me pictures of the book that they finally got in the mail and are reading it and, and excited for it, for the people in my real life, like the old ladies in my church, who are coming up to me and genuinely acting interested in what I'm doing and are celebrating that.

I can pay attention to the people who I've never met, who become part of this tally of who actually does buy the book or people who request the book at their library. That's what I can choose to pay attention to. And for [00:30:00] myself, of course, I hope this book meets the expectations I have, the publisher has.

And hope above all hopes that it exceeds all those expectations too. But my purest hope and one that I actually know I can control, I hope I can choose to pay attention to the full seats. So that's what I'm doing. And as I do that, I'm thinking about how when you do run a, a, a real race, how you aren't even doing that alone.

There are people who support you on your training runs, who ask about them, who give you the time, who provide aid, uh, to those runs, and there's the people on the sidelines who are cheering you on. There are people on the other sides who are giving you water, who are handing you that medal or who are literally putting it on over your head, and I have those people, and they're you.

And When I think of the full seats, I think of you. Some of you listening have been here for [00:31:00] longer than this book has, obviously. You, you have heard me figure out these ideas in real time. You've heard me coach women on it. You've heard me improve in how I teach about it.

And you've watched how I teach this content change, and now you're going to watch this book enter the world. And I don't believe this is cheesy to say, and I think it needs to be said, is we did this together.

We have gone through these milestones together. I- you were here when I announced that I was gonna write a book and publish it. You were here when I got a book deal. You were here while I was writing it and editing it. You've been here as I've been trying to market it, and when I shared the book cover, and when I shared the book actually arriving in my house, you've been here. So I wanna say, we've gotten it this far together. Will you help me carry it across that finish line? And the ways you can do that are actually really simple. Order the book, and if you can't afford to, request it at the library.

That is huge. Request it at your library no matter what. And when you get it, read it. Let it [00:32:00] change things for you. And if it does help you, share about it personally with friends, with family members. You can also share it on your social media feeds. I don't care if there are 30 people from your neighborhood who follow you, that helps.

And you can leave a review on Amazon, which is gonna be a whole other thing that we're gonna have to start doing. Regardless of how you do it- I know that I'm not crossing this finish line alone. So thank you. Wish me luck. Wish me luck in my final sprint, and thank you for helping me get this far, and I know who I'm gonna look for as I cross that biggest finish line tomorrow.

And I know there's still more to come, but I'm gonna look for you. So thank you for being here. Thank you for supporting me, cheering me on, making this work possible, and for greeting me on the other side. I'll see you soon

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